In this episode of ‘Cultured Conversations’, Auckland Art Gallery Director Kirsten Lacy speaks with global academic Ian Williamson about the impacts of COVID-19 on the inter-connected ecology of art, culture and commerce. Ian shares his insights on leadership, entrepreneurship, economics and culture acquired through his experiences teaching and researching in the USA, Europe, Indonesia, Australia and Aotearoa New Zealand. Ian reflects on what it takes to be successful and relevant in times of uncertainty – as a person, a business or an institution.